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The 50 Most Loathsome Americans

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16) Linda Katehi
Crimes: OK, so this tyrannical spanakopita is not technically American, but she’ll always bring a tear to our eyes — and not just for raising tuition. Not only did the UC-Davis Chancellor condone the brutal pepper-spraying of peaceful students, manufacture a fake hostage situation, and refuse to resign, Katehi is also responsible for bringing the same authoritarian mentality back to Greek campuses. Katehi sat on a commission that ended Greece’s asylum law which made Greek schools a cop/army-free zone and came into being after pro-democracy student protesters were crushed by force in ’73. A Greek student herself at the time, Katehi apparently remembers the violence fondly.
Known accomplices: cat-walking fascist homophobe Lt. John Pike.
Smoking Gun: “We deeply regret that many of the protestors today chose not to work with our campus staff and police to remove the encampment as requested.”
Sentence: Married to Newt Gingrich.

15) Hank Williams Jr.
Crimes: Repeatedly asked us if we were ready for some football when, in fact, he knew we were ready for some football. His fame derived solely from music industry nepotism; even Julian Lennon and Jakob Dylan seemed legitimate talents by contrast. But this year, Ol’ Pube-beard’s hilariously ahistoric “Fox and Friends” gaffe, wherein he compared Obama to Hitler, at least had the beneficent effect of removing his inane query from our national consciousness. And his musical response “Keep the Change,” imploring that Fox somehow twisted his words, is probably one of the funniest country songs ever written this side of Poe’s Law. He’s possibly running for Senate. And he can’t count to three.
Smoking Gun: “That would be like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu…They’re the enemy… Obama! And Biden! Are you kidding? The Three Stooges.”
Sentence: A run for Senate. Please.

14) Scott Walker
Crimes: With the assistance of a truculent Republican Legislature, Walker’s forced through a mountain of draconian measures in Wisconsin that’ve made Kim Jong Il blush — slashing funding for education, healthcare and Planned Parenthood, enacting voter ID, allowing guns in the Capitol while simultaneously banning cameras and signs, and even trying to charge protesters a fee for exercising their 1st Amendment rights to name just a few. Most egregious was his budget “repair” bill, which ended collective bargaining for the majority of public employees in the state. Not only did he fail to mention this while running for Governor, he’s since admitted that it doesn’t save the state one flat dime. Walker’s just your run-of-the-mill hypocrite and liar, decrying out-of-state money while receiving half of his donations from…out of state. And despite all his business-friendly rhetoric that “Wisconsin is Open for Business,” his policies have made the state the biggest job-loser in the nation.
Smoking Gun: At the height of protests in February, when he refused to talk to the Democratic opposition, Walker took a 20-minute call from a “liberal blogger” posing as arch-libertarian asshole David Koch — revealing his plans to trick the self-exiled Democrats back into session, and that he thought about discrediting protesters by planting troublemakers in the crowd.
Sentence: Forced back into the private sector — as David Koch’s butler.

13) Rick Perry
Crimes: He’s such a stammering cretin that he makes George W. Bush sound like a Rhodes Scholar. A deluded Christian who hates women and science unless there’s a paycheck from Merck involved. Proving once again that everything’s bigger in Texas, Governor Goodhair’s impudent corruption is unbound by the “small government” rhetoric he espouses. From an auto magnate who donated $400K and got a $25 million a year subsidy to a poultry seller who gave $165K and landed a $500K grant, Perry’s major donor list reads like the state welfare rolls. In an attempt to ingratiate himself to the retarded Republican base, Perry’s ultimately comedic presidential bid began with a massive “day of fasting and prayer,” in which he enlisted the help of American Family Association hatemonger Bryan Fischer to ask God to save America from an abortion-based atheist economy. Or whatever.
Smoking Gun: “Gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school.”
Sentence: Loses hair from radiation poisoning, ravaged by a troop of foxes, and…I forget the third thing.

12) Donald Trump
Crimes: Besotted by his own garish ignorance, The Donald stumbled into a depth of buffoonery last year which made Gary Busey seem respectably grounded. Like an awful P.T. Barnum with an unkempt raccoon on his head, everything from floating a presidential run, dabbling in birtherism, and trying to moderate a debate (that none of the Republicans were stupid enough to touch) was unadulterated self-promotion aimed at boosting ratings for NBC’s ode to capitalist douchebaggery “The Apprentice.”
Smoking Gun: “I have a great relationship with the blacks.”
Sentence: Dipped in gold, buried in Ron Paul’s backyard.

11) John McCain
Crimes: Despite being alive for most of recorded history, McCain has learned absolutely nothing from it. Along with the Democratic Senator from Michigan Carl Levin, and much to the sadistic delight of Lindsay Graham, McCain coauthored the despicable National Defense Authorization Act which codifies the federal government’s authority to indefinitely detain Americans who’ve been accused of terrorism without trial. You got a joke for that? Yeah, me neither.
Smoking Gun: ”…it’s okay for us to send a predator, and fire, and kill that person…”
Sentence: Detained without trial and tortured.

10) Lamar Smith
Crimes: Normally concerned with protecting Texans from the evils of melanin and marijuana, the congressman outdid himself this year by introducing the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) — the bill that would enable the feds to censor any website merely accused of copyright infringement. With staffers who moonlight as intellectual property rights lobbyists, Smith has pushed bad web legislation before. For example, his innocuously titled Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 proposes that all internet users be surveilled, again, merely for being suspected of virtual-pedophilia. Yes, that means you, 4chan.
Smoking Gun: The background image of Smith’s campaign website is a copyright violation.
Sentence: While singing Time-Warner’s copyrighted “Happy Birthday to You” at a family party, he has a stroke and falls into the cake.

9) John Boehner
Crimes: A corporate shill, inside trader, and blubbering alcoholic, who in pandering to the Tea Party ascendants helped create a monster he couldn’t control. As House Speaker, Boehner’s as responsible as anyone for a year of total government impotence which saw our credit rating downgraded, pizza sauce labelled as a vegetable, and “In God We Trust” affirmed as the national motto. The most infuriating thing about Boehner playing “fiscally responsible” politics over the debt ceiling was that the debt ceiling isn’t a limit on how much we can borrow, it’s a limit on how much incurred debt we’ll pay back — which is like saying that the responsible thing to do is to use your credit card and not pay the bill.
Smoking Gun: “We’re legislating. He’s campaigning. It’s very disappointing.”
Sentence: Ground up with a giant mortar and pestle, mixed with water, used to dye hunting jackets and pylons.

8 ) Eric Cantor
Crimes: A man who makes Congress’s 5% approval rating seem confoundingly high, Cantor’s political MO is to take a dump on his adversaries and condemn them for smelling like shit. In a transparently cynical ploy to limit Barack Obama to one term, Cantor — whom the intransigent tea-bagging House freshmen laughably view as an inspirational father-figure — can be found dropping a steaming political deuce at every legislative dead-end in Washington. In the bag for every rich, science-denying, and homophobic asshole in the country, Cantor’s ideology is one not of substance, but one of vacuous ambition, which places party before progress and spurns the intelligence of every living creature in America.
Smoking Gun: Through his press secretary, Cantor demanded that hurricane Irene relief should be paired to an equal amount of spending cuts.
Sentence: Every dollar earned for the rest of his life balanced out by a punch to the face.

7) Jamie Dimon
Crimes: It takes a special kind of asshole to helm a publicly bailed-out multinational bank — one guilty of defrauding investors, bid-rigging, bribery, and market manipulation — to a 23% market cap loss, earn an astounding $42 million doing it, and fail to grasp why people hate your thieving guts. JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon is that special kind of asshole. As a part of the stunningly obtuse nonprofit advocacy group “Job Creators Alliance,” Dimon joined his fellow embattled billionaires in denouncing the OWS “imbeciles” who, in the words of Tom Golisano, make them want to “vomit.” He may not get why people hate his guts, but he gets that they do, which may help explain why JPMorgan Chase donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the NYPD’s pepper spray fund.
Smoking Gun: “Acting like everyone who’s been successful is bad and because you’re rich you’re bad, I don’t understand it.”
Sentence: Mob violence.

6) Barack Obama
Crimes: A post-constitutional demagogue who ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and ended up signing away Americans’ right to trial. But you can’t blame him for it. Really. Because he’ll be out of office when it begins. The guy is literally ordering flying robots to murder people throughout the Arab world — Americans even — but if you call him a fascist people think you’re in league with Glenn Beck or Lyndon LaRouche. While playing ninja assassin abroad, he takes a decidedly different tact with the terrorists at home, often folding to the whims of insane Republicans like so much origami. In too many ways, his first term may as well have been Bush’s third — with weak Wall St. regulations, an unconscionable war on medical marijuana and whistle-blowers, and total inaction on global warming. Seemingly more concerned with the rights and prosperity of those in the Middle East, his silence on the often violent OWS crackdowns was nothing short of galling.
Smoking Gun: “I want to be very clear in calling upon the Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protesters. The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere.”
Sentence: Toothy head from Jonathan Chait.

5) Mitt Romney
Crimes: The Schrödinger’s cat of American politics, Mittens is simultaneously on both sides of every issue, and no one truly knows his position until he opens his mouth. He’s so incapable of honesty that he’s even lied about his own name. Morally dissonant, too, much of the seed money for Bain Capital — which made Mittens millions by gutting companies, killing jobs and raiding pensions — came from an El Salvadorian family that financed death squads in the ’80′s, but when it came time to do business with Artisan Entertainment, Romney refused because they produce R-rated movies. But what can you expect from a guy who purports to believe that Native Americans descended from Jews and hung out with Jesus, God lives on the planet Kolob, the devil invented coffee, and underwear can be magic. And he’s so damn white he makes Justin Bieber seem like Gil Scott-Heron.
Smoking Gun: “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.”
Sentence: Cut into pieces and sold off to the highest bidder.

4) Jon Corzine
Crimes: As the Goldman CEO who made the firm public, Corzine scored an instant $400 million, and then spent $100 million becoming senator then governor of New Jersey. He managed the state so poorly that he floated the idea of privatizing the Turnpike, which sent New Jersey running into the fat arms of Chris Christie. Obama’s biggest Wall Street fundraiser reentered the world of high finance in 2010 as CEO of MF Global brokerage firm, where he repeated the shady dealings that led to the ’08 economic collapse — using a billion in client cash to cover insane gambles like some compulsive OTB degenerate raiding his child’s college fund.
Smoking Gun: “I never intended to break any rules.”
Sentence: Scrutinized by the Justice Department as though he were a Gibson guitar stuffed with medical marijuana.

3) Grover Norquist
Crimes: Born with money and without decency, young Norquist got into politics as a Nixon campaign volunteer, and his filthy mitts have been picking the pockets of the poor and working class ever since. A coauthor of Gingrich’s Contract With America, and integral in designing the Bush tax cuts, Norquist is best known for his anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform — a member of the Koch-backed American Legislative Exchange Council (which crafts corporate-friendly legislation for state reps to pass off as their own). All but two Republicans in D.C. have signed Norquist’s “Taxpayer Protection Pledge,” which binds them through implied shaming and character assassination to never raise taxes on the rich, thus ensuring a return to a better time in America when children worked in coalmines, got black lung and died hungry without whining about it. Although complicit in the illegal schemes of swine like Oliver North, Jack Abramoff, and Tom Delay, Norquist’s naked duplicity is best summed up with his take on two recent tax issues: He was fine with raising payroll taxes, which would’ve hurt average Americans, but if Obama lets the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire, Norquist thinks he should be impeached.
Smoking Gun: “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
Sentence: Kidnapped by Somali pirates, drowned in a tub of his own tears.

2) Rupert Murdoch
Crimes: Who’d have thought that a country founded as a prison, and inhabited by the world’s deadliest snakes, could produce such venomous turpitude? News Corp.’s phone-hacking scandal, wherein their Brit tabloids snooped the voice mail of celebs, royals, relatives of terrorism victims, and a missing girl (also erasing her messages and giving her family false hope that she was still alive), can safely be counted among Murdoch’s least offenses as the modern-day William Randolph Hearst. In fact, it’s probably the closest thing resembling journalism his media empire’s done in some time. Back in ’03 a Florida court unanimously ruled that FOX News has the legal right to lie, and, as evidenced by the profound ignorance of its viewership, they’ve since made Goebbels seem a small-time fibber  – beating the drums for war, reporting innuendo and racist opinion as fact, and subverting public understanding on every basic issue from Obama’s citizenship to man-made global warming. Fox News is no longer a propaganda arm for the Republican party; it’s the brain, fanning the flames of extremism, and exploiting white middle class prejudice to the point of economic cannibalism. And he’s ultimately responsible for subjecting you to the intolerable smarminess of Piers Morgan.
Smoking Gun: “I do not accept ultimate responsibility.”
Sentence: Deported to the moon for show trial, denied clemency by Moon Governor Newt Gingrich.

1) David (and Charles) Koch
Crimes: Heirs to a fortune created largely by their John-Birch-crazy father’s oil deals with Stalin, the putrid fruit didn’t fall far from the hypocritical tree. The billionaire Kochs are still profiting from business with America’s enemies in Iran and, as the Tea Party’s sugar daddies, spending big to trump reason at home. Their cash and ideology can be found lurking behind nearly every “free market” think tank, anti-labor front group, global warming-denying sophist, and malfeasant politician hellbent on making the rich richer at the expense of everyone else. Perhaps the most sinister Koch-bankrolled endeavor is the American Legislative Exchange Council. As mentioned above, ALEC drafts corporate-approved legislation for state representatives to introduce as their own. These model bills primarily focus on union busting, instituting discriminatory voter ID, and privatizing every state institution imaginable. There’s a multi-front war being waged on the middle class in which these guys are the generals. And in a fitting tribute to the disingenuous gods of irony, Koch scaremongering over socialism and wealth redistribution is subsidized in part by the American taxpayer.
Smoking Gun: “If I called up a senator or a congressman to discuss something with them, and they heard ‘David Koch is on the line,’ they’d immediately say, ‘That’s that fraud again — tell him to get lost!’”
Sentence: The plot of that Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd movie Trading Places.

 

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  • http://www.buffalobeast.com/ Josh Bunting

    FIRST

  • zibby

    Where’s “You”? That American should always be listed at #1. He is without a doubt the biggest asshole of all.

  • michael

    I second zibby. I’ve been a real piece of shit this year.

  • LorenzoStDuBois

    Thanks, Ian, as always.

    I missed the illustrations, and was a bit disappointed in how you buy into the “Dems are spineless and ineffective and fold to Republicans” perspective, as opposed to the obvious fact that they actually ARE extremely effective at serving their backers, it’s just that they might actually not be telling the truth when they make speeches. That’s disappointing Ian, especially after the very good “democrats are dive artists” by Allan Uthman on this very site. Sorry to quibble, it’s just that I have pretty high standards for you after the whole “troops” affair.

  • David

    Nancy Grace should really have taken the place of Casey Anthony. Who gives a shit about her?

  • Joseph Sciortino

    No Jared Loughner?

  • Steve

    I don’t particularly care for Arianna Huffington but you really should’ve made room for Snooki.

  • admin

    @LorenzoStDuBois, Thanks, thanks, and…sorry to quibble myself but, I used the word “fold” to describe Weiner caving to pressure to resign — which a far guiltier Republican never would have done. I also used “fold” in the Obama entry only because I like the phrase “fold like origami.” Yes, I’m a whore. But I also called him a “post-constitutional demagogue,” which seemed to say a lot about his populist rhetoric not squaring with his corporate leadership. I thought. FUN FACT: I originally had it as “post-constitutional dive artist,” but I didn’t want to rip off Uthman too hard. Guess I should have. And sorry about the illustrations!

  • JewMaster

    last

  • Beast_Fan

    Well no Bryan Fischer or Jared Loughner but a good list nonetheless.

  • Waldo

    Christ, I almost gave up on this thing. If it had been much later, you guys could have skipped to the 2012 list and called it a loathsome leap year. But hey, better late than never. Also, I guess we should be thankful Murphy cheesed out on the illustrations the same year he put himself on the list. Anyway, if the current trend persists, I’ll definitely be back for the next installment in October 2013. Semper fi!

  • Buffalo Rude

    Well done, Murphy. We’ll let you live another year.

  • thesupremeunknown

    Dull.

  • Bob O’Houlifitzdooley

    And many more years to you, Ian

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  • Brian

    Great list as usual this year. But Paula Deen didn’t move up from her #50 spot on the list last year? I figured she would have moved up this year because of her shit this year…

  • Mike J

    Would it blow your mind that Charles Koch sponsors Nova?

  • Bob O’Houlifitzdooley

    ^ RUT ROH IT LOOKS LIKE PIGLET IS LOST

  • Jordan

    I like how the commenters on MetaFilter completely miss the artful juxtaposition between John McCain’s personal history and his sponsorship of the NDAA that his sentence presents.

  • Colin

    You missed Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly.

  • Ddrhl

    Damn. Didn’t make the list again. Pity you can only count to 50…

  • Dan Del Penis

    JOEPA?
    JOEPA?
    JOEPA?
    JOEPA?

    How do you not have this sanctimonious piece of shit as a runaway top tenner?

    Get rid of Hank Williams and put in Paterno. Hank Williams is nothing but a harmless backwoods tard who fell on his head – not to mention entertaining in his lunacy.

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  • John Hugar

    Too lazy to login…awesome, hilarious list. Mildly proud that my 3 guesses (Boehner, Obama, Koch Bros,) all made the Top 10, and one of them was number one. Should’ve known the Koch’s were the only logical choice.

  • Skids

    Sorry I think you need Warren Buffet as the top.

    *Biggest Welfare queen in America
    *Claims he doesn’t pay enough in taxes while his company owes the IRS $1 billion in back taxes

  • CharlieBucket

    Excellent list as always. Before it gets pushed around everywhere, do change the word ‘tact’ in Obama’s entry to ‘tack’. <—Sailing term, means to change course.

  • Don Meashen

    Hitchens? Seriously?

  • Gulch_can’t_hold_everyone

    How can you have Antony Weenier but not have David Vidder?

    Seems like in your desperation to have some Dems to balance the massive amounts of republicans you really had to scrape the barrel.

    Also Chrisopher Hitchens? way off base there, Try checking fact before jumping to fiction. Please provide more links to your claims and don’t take out of context. He hates dictators and despots, and rightly so, He wanted Sadam gone for his actions not the Bush reasons.

  • http://vectorpress.blogspot.com Trevor

    So glad to see that miserable suckpuppet Hitchens made the list. I know too many people who were so enamored with his criticism of religion they overlooked his transparent boosting of imperialism. Ayn Rand was an atheist too but that doesn’t excuse her from being a retarded asshole.

  • Chip

    Hitchens, that’s cute.

    No Jennifer Petkov? No David Miscavige? Sheesh, cub.

    No Nino Scalia? Even in one of his quiet years, there still ain’t no party like a Nino party, cuz a Nino party don’t stoooooooppppp…

  • Boat

    What a fucking joke this list is. You may have a couple liberal personalities on the list but mostly for the wrong reasons. Some of your facts are completely wrong. Can you say, media drone?

  • Insouciant

    Hitchens?

    Your argument is invalid.

    Hitchens wasn’t loathesome. Divisive maybe but how could any intelligent person loathe a man who took on the religious idiocracy of America? The hack who wrote this list can only dream of contributing as much to humanity as Christopher Hitchens.

  • simon

    hitchens? i agree – i thought he was utterly wrong about Iraq but the rest of your description is turds.

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  • simon

    let me just tweak that – i agree with you on his views on Iraq but everything else you wrote was utter shite.

    ok, good.. now fix your list and we’ll say no more about it.

  • simon

    this list is utter horseshit. barack obama?

    you fucking kidding me? where the fuck is dick motherfucking cheney – wolfowitz, karl rove? robert mac namara.. geroge fucking bush?

    cunts

  • http://www.dailyraider.com Doom

    McNamara having been dead since 2009 is probably why he’s not on the list, shithead.

  • D

    derp

  • Ellmore Disco

    “John McCain… Detained without trial and tortured.”

    What, again?

  • http://anothergreenworld.com Robert Green

    hitchens was awesome and super-cool (and i worked for him in my first job out of college) as long as you weren’t female. then he kind of sucked ass, because he was an obnoxious sexist blowhard douchebag when it came to women. luckily, simon, you aren’t female so that doesn’t even register with you. and he bought COMPLETELY into the most important and toughest call of his lifetime on the wrong side. completely. went all in. showing that he was craven and weak when it mattered. still loved “god is not great” myself, but ian’s dead on here.

  • Anteprepro

    “Some of your facts are completely wrong”

    Whoa there! Don’t bore us with the details! Wouldn’t want someone to get the impression that you weren’t talking out of your ass.

    Dan Del Penis: Joepa was included in the entry for the actual rapist that he covered for, along with all of the others who also covered for him.

    Hitchens apologists are hilarious. Being right about religion’s stupidity doesn’t excuse being hilariously, adamantly wrong about Iraq and using his anti-religion cred to boost his credibility on that issue. And it also doesn’t excuse his misogyny.

    “He wanted Sadam gone for his actions not the Bush reasons.”

    Trite bullshit. He also believed the WMD story and defended it for a time after it was debunked. The “toppling dictators” excuse was one made by every right-winger after the WMD angle didn’t pan out.

    Ellmore Disco: He obviously learned nothing from it the first time, so yes.

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  • DVSDen

    I realize you guys put a token liberal media star on the list every year (Maher, Olbermann in years past), but Ed Schultz? Ed attacks half the people on this list every single day, not to mention having the only worthwhile show to listen to on Sirius Left. He speaks openly about his conversion from right to left as a result of working with homeless veterans and witnessing the shafting they were getting from society. It is much less about $$, as his radio show is blacklisted from the air in any market south of Chicago apart from a couple college towns.

  • http://thevoid99.blogspot.com Steven Flores

    This list is shit… I have some people that should be in there…

    Ryan Seacrest
    Gloria Allred
    The cast of “The Jersey Shore”
    MTV
    Barbara Walters
    Fox News
    Jann Wenner (because of him, Rush is still not in the Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame)
    The Black Eyed Peas
    and Ryan Seacrest

  • JohnnyG

    I agree with Steven that Barbara Walters is totally loathsome. Today Walters chastised Romney for making a 10,000 bet with someone, saying it makes him look out of touch with everyday people. She said when she makes a bet, it’s like for $5 or $10. Riiiiight Barbara, because you’re just a working girl who’s got to watch every penny. That’s how she expects the audience to see her. Walters’ estimated fortune is 150 million.

  • ano

    List invalid; does not contain Joe Arpaio.

  • http://pdiehl.blogspot.com PDiehl

    This list is great except for the inclusion of Hitchens and the exclusion of Michigan Governor Rick “Tough Nerd” Snyder, Chi-Town Mayor Rahm “I’m Edgy ‘Cause I Say ‘F*ck’ A Lot” Emanuel, Jared Lee Loughner and Smug Simon Cowell. Man, I dislike that dude.

  • CraigK

    Christoper Hitchens, being exactly what every person with ten thousand posts on r/atheism will look like at the age of 60, is a worthy inclusion on the list.

  • http://none SueJ.

    John McCain’s already been “detained without trial and tortured”: he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam. He was a prisoner for many years and tortured repeatedly, but he obviously didn’t learn anything from that, either.

  • http://atlas-shirked.blogspot.com Trevor

    And if anyone’s curious, he called Katehi a “spinach pie” in Greek.

  • GB

    I created a playlist for e’rrybody…
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6553B98FF09761B6

    Same great list, new great taste.
    -Greg

  • Alexandra

    I agree with Steven Flores, Jersey Shore cast absolutely belongs on any list of loathsome Americans.

  • Diablo

    I got to say, no Joe Pa and the rest of Penn State is a bit confusing to me. Don’t get me wrong, Sandusky is a fucking monster, but there is such a clear systematic coverup that facilitated that fuckwad to continue to prey on children. From the guy that walked into a fucking rape and did nothing to stop it (and who prior had been told the school was not going to hirer him…and then magically locked up in a long term job for his silence) to the original judge who released Sandusky on the least restrictive terms so he could get back to his house with the backyard that opened to an elementary school playground, or the fact that every single person that could have done the bare minimum required to be a fucking HUMAN BEING and stop the abuse but chose to not do so…

    Between the students rioting in support of covering up child abuse and the horrific fact that some of the victims have had to drop out of high school because of local community pressure blaming them for all of this…Sandusky almost seems like the least of the evil surrounding this case. I mean, at least the sick fuck kept trying to get caught. When an entire institution is doing everything it can to keep his secrets, what is he supposed to do? Be the one child predator on earth that wouldn’t take advantage of the situation?

  • Art

    How did Larry Ellison not make this list?

  • Emily

    Diablo’s comment is so spot on, it should be added as a runner up. Then bumped higher on the list.

  • Beast_Fan

    For the record I’m a huge fan of the late Christopher Hitchens for what he said about religion and his wonderful defense of atheism. However, this doesn’t excuse his constant praise for the “War on Terror” and turning his back on his friends and colleagues (Noam Chomsky, Tariq Ali, etc.). He said Saddam has WMD, claimed the difference between conditions at Abu Ghraib pre and post invasion was like “night and day”, claimed Saddam really was searching for yellocake uranium in Africa, trash-talked the peace movement repeatedly, became casual friends with Wolfowitz and a diehard Bush supporter, and wrote that godawful piece on “why women aren’t funny.” (In fact the only amusing and truthful thing Al Sharpton ever said was that Christopher himself was a “man of faith” for believing the Bush admin’s lies about WMD in Iraq.) But whenever a person died the Hitch would not mince words, and neither should we. Yes, remember the good about the man, but remember his faults too.

  • Beast_Fan

    Hmm, I am also bad at spalling.

  • mr. mike

    Really the list should be expanded to 100, because everybody that was mentioned in the comments deserves to be there. America is dying because the worst people seem to be rising to the top or sticking around, the Koches especially because they are funding half of the motherfuckers on the list.

  • booo

    murphy is protestant scum!

  • Beast_Fan

    ^LOLWUT?

  • Anonymous

    You took this long to put it out and you didn’t even include doodles?! Lame! Also, the vast majority of these aren’t even mildly funny. [You're just sore because you're a backward Paultard. You left your email to comment; we know how to Google; we know who you are, BB. We've met you. But we had no idea you were a registered member of a white pride website. It makes a lot of sense, however. Be thankful we only used your initials, you fucking "traditionalist" POS. - The BEAST Intel Team]

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  • Fred

    Looks like Ian really phoned it in. This list is awful.

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  • Adam

    John McCain correction:

    Sentence: Detained without trial and tortured, again.

  • Stupid is as Stupid Does

    I wish I could be as stupid as the dumbass liberals who wrote this. I’d probably still wouldn’t find this funny though.

  • Anteprepro

    “I wish I could be as stupid as the dumbass liberals who wrote this.”

    Sadly, all the wishing in the world won’t raise your intelligence to a humble stupidity. You’ll have to just accept that you are forever doomed to be a drooling moron, and will just never attain mild stupidity, let alone simple dumbassery. It doesn’t hurt to dream, but, let’s face it: you’re a conservative. The only people on earth less likely to become more intelligent than a conservative are Alzheimer’s patients who huff glue and hammer in their own skulls. But, whatever. Reach for the sky, man!

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  • Anthony

    Where is Jeff Lewis from Bravo’s hit show “Flipping Out”? Promises were made.

  • Ridiculist

    Anteprepro, do you seriously believe that the political right has a monopoly on individuals worthy of our loathing? Child, please.

    They picked three true liberals in Weiner, Obama and Corzine (Schultz and Huffington are merely political opportunists). There is no mention of Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, George Soros, Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Al Sharpton, Jim Clyburn, Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Joe Biden and many others. These people have said repeatedly ridiculous things ad nauseum and would certainly be worthy of being on a list like this.

    The problem is you’re so blinded by your political zealotry that you ignore the loathsome policies and statements that all of these individuals have made over the past few years. Your party, at least nominally, supports the ideas of diversity of thought and tolerance, so one would think that your actions would mirror those values. Unfortunately, your obtuse and hateful comments show how hypocritical you (and your party) actually are.

    Thank you for being a shining example of the intolerant, tolerant left.

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  • Anteprepro

    “Anteprepro, do you seriously believe that the political right has a monopoly on individuals worthy of our loathing? ”

    Well, it apparently has a monopoly on not being able to take a fucking joke.

    “There is no mention of Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, George Soros, Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Al Sharpton, Jim Clyburn, Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Joe Biden and many others. These people have said repeatedly ridiculous things ad nauseum and would certainly be worthy of being on a list like this.”

    Why would there be mention of these straws your grasping for? If you truly think that those people are loathsome, make your own fucking list. Pro-tip: Saying “ridiculous things” is not sufficient to be considered loathsome.
    Aside from that:
    No one except right-wingers give a fuck about Al Sharpton.
    The one stupid thing I could find on Representative Hank Johnson was from 2010, meaning that he couldn’t be included on this list for it anyway.
    Sheila Jackson Lee’s high crime is being dumb about what she decides to call out on racism.
    Maxine Waters said something about “walking the plank” and said the Tea Party can go to Hell. HORRORS!!!

    The only ones that you might have had a good point with are Schumer and Rangel. The rest are just pathetic attempts to find liberals that might kinda, sorta qualify for the list if you squint really hard.

    ” Your party, at least nominally, supports the ideas of diversity of thought and tolerance, so one would think that your actions would mirror those values. Unfortunately, your obtuse and hateful comments show how hypocritical you (and your party) actually are.”

    Sorry, I tolerate differences in culture, race, sexuality, etc. but I am by no means required to tolerate stupidity and intolerance. Thanks for playing.

  • Hugo

    Unfortunately, the dig on Paul about his racist commentary is pure nonsense that was not written by him. I’m no Paul apologist, but spewing forth drivel that is patently false makes you a “loathsome” American. Though I did enjoy the digs on Sheen and Kutcher you Loathsome hack you.

  • http://www.buffalobeast.com/ Josh Bunting

    @Hugo The “dig on Paul” is accurate. It doesn’t say that he personally wrote his newsletter. It just says that it was his newsletter, it was named after him, and it said stupid homophobic and racist things. None of that is nonsense. What are you talking about?

  • Anteprepro

    Hugo, maybe you should try reading more carefully. Ian doesn’t say Ron Paul wrote the newsletters, and links to a source that says:
    1. Ron Paul may have not written the newsletters.
    2. Ron Paul defended the racist statements in those newsletters in an interview four years later, in 1996.
    3. Ron Paul didn’t start saying he didn’t write the newsletters until 2001.

    Oh, and only tangentially related to those things…

    Bonus round: Ron Paul recently stated that he would have opposed the Civil Rights act, because of “property rights” and, of course, “states’ rights”. He was also the only Congressman who voted against giving a Congressional Gold Medal to Rosa Parks.

  • Anteprepro

    Hey, funny thing Ridiculist: Happen to notice that 6 of your 11 examples of Loathsome Democrats just happen to be black? Did you know that there’s only 40 African American Democrats in Congress total, out of 243 total Democratic Congressman? And yet, of the random Congresspeople you deem loathsome, 5 are black, and 3 are white. Of the three that aren’t in Congress, you choose the white Vice President, a white multibillioniare, and a black former politician who is now just a minor celebrity. I’m sure that all of this is entirely incidental and has an incredibly non-racist explanation, since it surely couldn’t be that a conservative would be racist! Or rely on racist conservative sources to fuel their outrage! Nosiree. And if I even believed that was the case for a moment, I would be just as intolerant as the racists. Which the people in question totally aren’t. Like, obviously.

    • http://www.buffalobeast.com/ Josh Bunting

      He only chose mostly black people because of states’ rights. Private property! And liberty! Or… something. RON PAUL 2012!1

  • Anteprepro

    Excellent. You may have discovered the Unified Field Theory of Racism.

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  • Ridiculist

    Ahhhhh, the self-righteous liberals pulling the race card, never heard that one before. I chose them because they absolutely are loathsome for shamelessly playing the race card, being horribly corrupt or insufferably stupid. Every one of them deserves to be on my list, but there are many other white liberals that deserve to be on it too (Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chris Van Hollen, Jan Schakowsky, Tim Geithner, etc.). The original list was an ad hoc list and had the glaring omissions of Frank, Geithner and Schakowsky. They would make any list. Are you going to accuse me of being anti-gay and anti-Jew now? Accusing people of racism when confronted with legitimate gripes is what liberals do, isn’t it?

    Let’s further examine the six that I chose:

    Al Sharpton – A shameless race hustler that has made millions off of the people he pretends to protect from the racist boogeyman. Meanwhile, he historically has been anti-gay and anti-Jew. Is yet to say an intelligent thing in 40 years in the public spotlight. Now that we have to here his incoherent rants on a nightly basis, he’s a pretty easy inclusion.

    Hank Johnson – I’m sorry, asking whether Guam would capsize is so far beyond stupid that it makes the list. If Ron Paul makes the actual list for something he didn’t say 20 years ago, Hank Johnson makes the list for something he said in 2010. A lot of stupid things have been said in Congress over the years, but his question is easily top five all time.

    Sheila Jackson Lee – A mental midget desperately searching for racism in all the wrong places. And yes, when people falsely play the race card, it irks me. It should irk all Americans, regardless of their color, since it desensitizes us to ACTUAL.

    Charlie Rangel – I’m glad you could at least agree on this one, he’s as corrupt as they come. He writes the tax code, but claims incompetence when he evades his taxes.

    Maxine Waters – I didn’t even consider that she criticized the Tea Party, what Democrat hasn’t? She’s a perennial contender for the most corrupt House member, and the OneUnited Bank scandal is just the tip of the iceberg for her. She’s basically a hybrid of Sheila Jackson Lee and Charlie Rangel and is hard for even the most brainwashed Democrat to defend.

    Jim Clyburn – He’s basically a more rational (in relative terms) version of Sheila Jackson Lee. He would get a pass if he was not the #3 Democrat in the House. A quick YouTube search of him will quickly reveal that a man that says such things has no business having so much power.

    • http://www.buffalobeast.com/ Josh Bunting

      tl;dr

  • Anteprepro

    Well, it seems the fucktard didn’t get that stupid =/= loathsome. And apparently thinks that it is A-okay to admit that he hates people for playing “the race card” while pretending that I was wrong in suggesting that there might be some racism going on given the disproportionate number of “loathsome” African Americans he came up with. The kicker is that the fucktard outright admits that the only reason why two of those black people are considered “loathsome” by him are for “playing the race card”. Ridiculist, if you think that there is nothing wrong with that, you need to do a more thorough inspection of your own biases. Examine yourself. Your “defense” reveals more prejudice than I ever dreamed it would.

    Anyway:
    Al Sharpton is still a Republican boogeyman.
    Hank Johnson’s statement is still out of the time frame.

    “If Ron Paul makes the actual list for something he didn’t say 20 years ago, ”

    Fucktard can’t read the entry on Ron Paul and notice that his hypothetical opposition to the Civil Rights amendment came from this year, as was his defense of sexual harassment. Please, fucktard, learn to read. It will make life so much easier for you and those around you.

  • Ridiculist

    Is “fucktard” the best insult you can come up with? I’m not surprised, that’s about what I would expect from a person so zealous in defense of a sophomoric and bankrupt ideology.

    Yes, crying racism every time somebody disagrees with you is loathsome. It stifles legitimate debate, which is why liberals like yourself love it so. Hiding behind straw men to avoid facts and logic is typical of lemmings like yourself. Reserve accusations of racism for times when it actually is legitimate such as profiling, arrest rates, judicial sentencing, employment, etc. You know it IS possible to disagree with a person based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. And excuse me for having the opinion that a person throwing out extremely serious allegations of racism so casually in order to score cheap political points or for self-preservation is a mark of poor character, just like hiding behind the veil of religion to promote bigotry of make money (see Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn and any number of fellow charlatans). I hold all Americans to the same standards of decency, regardless of race, creed, orientation, religion or political beliefs. You should try it sometime.

    I think your blatant double standard is a clear example of your intellectual dishonesty. I’m pretty agnostic, but I do find it interesting that you have no problem with Tim Tebow qualifying as loathsome for publicly liking God (yawn). Meanwhile, I’m this unthinkable racist for objecting to Sheila Jackson Lee calling racism every time a person has legitimate political objections to President Obama. According to Sheila Jackson Lee, the 236 year old passionate political discussion needs to cease and desist because it’s obviously racist if you disagree with anything President Obama says. In your warped mind, this passive-aggressive behavior is completely acceptable. Meanwhile in that same warped mind of yours, a person like me who objects to members of Congress casually throwing such baseless verbal bombs reminds you of the Deep South under the Jim Crow laws. Your level of cognitive dissonance has progressed to such a point that it’s comical.

    Ultimately, you guys on the left want us to be racists, you NEED us to be racists, if only in your twisted little minds. If you perceive us to be racists, it’s OK for you to hate us and overlook obvious flaws in your political allies. The cause WAS just (and was supported by more congressional Republicans than Democrats), but the war’s been won for almost 40 years. The racists are mostly dead by now, so you can lay down your verbal bombs. There will always be skirmishes over racial inequality, small pockets of racists and an imperfect union, but the war’s been won since the ’70s. I’m completely secure in saying that you, MSNBC, Al Sharpton and Sheila Jackson Lee are loathsome for trying to reinact long-settled Civil Rights battles. Let’s leave the battle reinacting to the Civil War buffs.

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  • Joseph Sciortino

    “but the war’s been won for almost 40 years”

    Ever look at prisons or the ghetto?

  • Anteprepro

    Ridiculist abridged: “BAAAW! Why did you correctly point out that a disproportionate amount of Democrats I consider ‘loathsome’ just happen to be black, and make me defend that flub up by kvetching about the race card, and then make me defend opposition to playing the race card save in cases of explicit discrimination? Straw man! More race card! I judge people by the content of the character, not the color of their skin, even if I detract points from the content of their character for mentioning negative portrayals of people who have their same color of skin! Racism only takes the form of lynch mobs and segregation! And I refuse to understand that some of the entries on the Loathsome list are tongue-in-cheek! Why should I start understanding jokes now!? And, finally, racism is over, even though I gave examples of things that people can legitimately ‘play the race card’ about.”

    My conclusion: You don’t understand a fucking thing about racism, do you? I’ll tell you what you’re missing, because I can pretty much guarantee you won’t learn a thing even if I make it explicit, let alone if I have you go off on your own and try to learn. Racism doesn’t have to be an explicit desire to want all black people in the back of the bus, having separate water fountains, in jail, on plantations, or strung up from trees. Racism can be more implicit. A disdain for “African American culture”, a nervousness around black men you don’t have around other people, generally favoring a less or equally qualified white candidate for a job over a black candidate (which you acknowledge as a legitimate gripe), unconsciously associating “African American” etc. with negative things. Your outrage in regards to “playing the race card” seems entirely based on your complete inability to understand that racism doesn’t always have to be big, oppressive, and borderline violent. It is, at its heart, a simple prejudice and privilege that can manifest itself in many different ways. And it is perfectly legitimate to call out, even in its smallest forms, in order to make people aware of those prejudices. Until you can actually grasp that, you remain a fucktard. You’ll deserve a better insult if you ever do understand it.

  • Ridiculist

    Well at least you’ve stopped defending the six individuals in question. I’ll take it as an indication that you do see my criticisms of them as legitimate rather than racist. That’s solid progress, so I’ll drop that issue. While I have very little tolerance for baseless accusations of racism, I can put up with you implying that I’m racially insensitive. I’m a guy and I’m really not that sensitive about most things, for better or for worse.

    I’m glad that you don’t seem to think there’s rampant, explicit racism, so that’s out of the way. Your hinting at implicit racism is your most interesting point. It’s not that I don’t understand when you cry implicit racism, it’s just that I often disagree. You think that a person disliking black culture is a racist. I don’t like Pax European, Russian, French and Italian culture. Isn’t it possible a person simply doesn’t like a culture based on aspects of that culture rather than on skin color? Of course. You might see a white guy watching his back while walking through a rough black neighborhood and think he’s an implicit racist. I suspect if you put that same guy in a London or Rome ghetto, he’d be watching his wallet just as closely as in a rough American neighborhood. Additionally, put that same person in an affluent black neighborhood like Hyde Park, and I suspect he walks down the street without a care in the world. Isn’t it possible that apprehension might be due to socioeconomic class rather than skin pigment? Of course. The whole employment thing cuts both ways and I’m not sure how a person controls unconscious thoughts.

    I generally give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren’t racist until they give me reason to believe otherwise. I’m not arrogant enough to think I can judge a stranger’s heart. You see a conservative and assume he’s a racist because he doesn’t like several leading black liberals who, let’s face it, deserve to be criticized. Give more people the benefit of the doubt, and you’ll be just fine.

    Joseph, I think the comparing sentences for whites and blacks who commit the same crime is by far more egregious than the other perceived or real injustices. There are a lot of other factors at play with the other issues, but the differing sentences cuts through all of the external noise. As I said before, we remain imperfect, but the big battles regarding race are behind us.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “Joseph, I think the comparing sentences for whites and blacks who commit the same crime is by far more egregious than the other perceived or real injustices. There are a lot of other factors at play with the other issues, but the differing sentences cuts through all of the external noise. As I said before, we remain imperfect, but the big battles regarding race are behind us.”

    Not really, no. The first battles were. The civil rights movement didn’t end with MLK’s death. He recognized that it is broader than just race, too.

  • Anteprepro

    Actually, I don’t agree with your choice of those six, as I’ve stated that at least two (possibly three if you include the Good Reverend) were chosen by you entirely because of “playing the race card”. Which is a bullshit and possibly prejudiced reason to consider someone stupid/loathsome. But whatever, on to bigger and better things.

    (Males can be sensitive too, by the way. It’s just that they’re expected not to be, and tend to be less social than females, making it a bit easier to lose grasp of the nuances and nuisances that women are generally more in tune with.)

    “Black culture” is a weird example of racism, and I’ll explain why. I agree that it isn’t inherently racist to object to elements of other cultures, since I am not a cultural relativist and know of several practices of other cultures that I abhor and would say are objectively horrible practices. In addition, socioeconomic status does factor into (sub)culture and confound our racial interactions in this country, so the fear example might become complicated.

    One of the reasons why I said that opposition to black culture is an indicator of implicit racism is because, if it isn’t also coupled with a similar contempt for other American subcultures (especially poor ones), it is hypocritical (though, I should also note, the idea of a coherent black culture relies on stereotypes and may itself be racist). The key problems with the sub-culture is that it is sexist and glorifies violence, revels in lack of education and uses incorrect English/slang . These are problems common to almost all American “cultures” and pretending that they are unique to black culture is a good indicator of bias. The other reason for my bringing up “black culture” is that the remaining complaints about it are petty and are the most transparent indicators of possible racism. Concerns about those baggy jeans, dangling waist lines, the jewelry, rap music in general, the hairstyles. It is obvious that one might not like these and not be racist, since it’s just a matter of taste. Opposing these things as objectively bad or horrific affronts of some kind, however, is an indicator of racism. Not liking something is ever so slightly different from objecting to it/opposing it.

    In regards to giving people the benefit of the doubt: Yeah, I agree somewhat, given the problems with terminology. Racist can mean everything from “prefers white faces to black faces on a psychological test by a slight margin” all the way to “wants to reinstitute slavery”, with most people thinking the KKK is a better representation of racism than just an average Joe who feels slightly uncomfortable around black people. I didn’t feel any reason to be more precise from the start because, hey, this is pretty much a comedy site. I’d prefer to play psychologist/sociologist/philosopher elsewhere, thank you very much.

    As for controlling unconscious thoughts: You can’t, but you can be made aware of your biases, how they manifest, how they can harm other people, and make effort to either turn those thoughts conscious and tackle them, or to some sort of standards/precautions in place to help you deal with bias. Some steps forward we’ve been making are that you can refuse to tell your race, sex, and age when applying for jobs. I don’t know what one could do personally except forcing yourself to hang out with people of other races that one might not meet otherwise. But, that might not help, and may just mean getting some token friends.

    Well, that was enough rambling for me. Hopefully some of this was enlightening, rather than it just being me enjoying the sound of my own keyboard.

  • matt

    ridiculist

    with the exception of Rangel, Schumer, Waters, none of those people really belong.

    Sheila Jackson Lee? Your accusation of race bating brings to mind Andrew Breitbarts insufferable whining.
    Clyburn? Ditto
    Reid was named 8 back in 2009 so out of timeline
    Sharpton is not even taken seriously by anyone but the right.

    Schakowsky, Van Hollen, what the fuck have they done?

    For Murphy and company. how about Sharon Osbourne, that cop who maced peaceful protestors. Kat Heigl, Whitney Cummings? A few more pop culture references.

  • Anteprepro

    What did Sharon Osbourne do? Is it because she’s returning as a judge to America’s Got Talent while Piers Morgan isn’t? Meaning that Piers Morgan, instead of being the Simon Cowell facsimile he played perfectly, will be spending his time playing a Fox News host facsimile on CNN? I mean, that’s truly awful stuff, but it’s not all her fault. As for Katherine Heigl: If she didn’t make the Loathsome list years ago when she decided to spit in contempt of the beloved movie that made her famous, she probably doesn’t deserve a place now unless she is guilty of murder or recently came out with the Rom-com equivalent of Meet the Spartans (or alternatively: a Rom-com worse than Gigli). I don’t believe she’s done enough to deserve it. Mace guy and Whitney Cummings though, they deserve a spot.

  • Beast_Fan

    “They picked three true liberals in Weiner, Obama and Corzine (Schultz and Huffington are merely political opportunists).”

    I’m curious how you define “true liberal.” I guess by your standards that would include a President who uses drones to bomb civilians in the Middle East, keeps Guantanamo open, destroys our Constitutional right to a fair trial, opposes same-sex marriage, started a war in Libya, and maintains an assassination program which targets American citizens.

    “There is no mention of Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, George Soros, Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Al Sharpton, Jim Clyburn, Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Joe Biden and many others. These people have said repeatedly ridiculous things ad nauseum and would certainly be worthy of being on a list like this.”

    Harry Reid was on twice (#5 in 2007 and #8 in 2009) and Charlie Rangel was on once (#40 in 2010). Joe Biden is, of course, guilty of being…well, Joe Biden. Yeah he’s kinda dumb, but hasn’t done anything particularly egregious. Schumer, Soros and Wasserman Schultz also haven’t done anything even newsworthy. And the rest, I assume, are black people you find scary. But, if it’s any consolation, Rev. Jesse Jackson made it in 2005 at #22.

  • Beast_Fan

    Also…

    “The racists are mostly dead by now…”

    The Tea Party’s dead?!

  • KO

    Did I tell you I loved you today? Because I re-read this, for the 3rd time, & yeah, it’s awesome (uh, bitches, u wanna cry about the lack of pop references? PerezHilton is thattaway…). As always, it was spectacular, but, for once, you gave me no new names! Granted, you reminded me of a few jerks, but this is the 1st list, since 2003 baby, that I haven’t been “daaaaaamn, they did what now?”
    Just saying. Still, thanks for adding Hitchens, he had his points, but shit, r/atheism’s been acting like Jesus just died. What’s that wprd? Starts with Hag……
    Kids: smart/eloquent/funny guy does not a philosophy make. Read u some Kant & Spinoza, please? Omg, I’m babbling & too drunk to edit… Sorry…. Done.
    This never happened.

  • Ridiculist

    A lot to cover, not a lot of time, so here it goes.

    Anteprepro: I appreciate the nuanced response and rather enjoyed it. If Piers Morgan or Martin Bashir were American, they would make the list. We may not see eye to eye on politics, but you’ve grown on me. I’ll call it a truce and wish you the best.

    Matt:
    -Breitbart is on the list, so shouldn’t the race-baiters be too?
    -Reid deserves it every year.
    -I’m from Illinois, so I hear a lot of interviews with Schakowsky. She might actually be stupider than Hank Johnson, is married to a convicted tax cheat and fraudster lobbyist and is more communist than Mao. I’d vote for Maxine Waters over her.
    -Chris Van Hollen, along with Schumer, is constantly playing this doublespeak game regarding the budget. It might be a personal preference, but I’m a fiscal hawk, so he gets my nod.

    Beast_fan
    -There are lots of different types of liberals (same goes for conservatives). Since you’re a liberal, you probably decided to skip economics and finance in undergrad, but it seems like you didn’t miss the day your civics class studied the Bill of Rights. That’s a good start.
    -Listen to that sleazy trifecta give an interview, any interview. You’ll understand why they are loathsome.
    -If you were implying that I’m scared of stupid, dishonest people in power, then yes, I’m scared of the aforementioned black leaders (along with a lot of white leaders) for being stupid and dishonest. If you’re implying that I’m scared of powerful black people, you would be as ridiculous as the original list.
    -Oh, so now the Tea Party was racist. You sound like Anteprepro several posts ago. I’m tired of writing long responses, I’m not doing the back and forth thing again. Get to where Anteprepro was in his last response or two. That’s how you write a reasonable liberal response, not calling rhetorically firebombing political enemies by calling them racists. You and I both know that there is very little evidence to corroborate your little fairy tale.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    I’m willing to bet most Tea Partiers are racist. Just ask them about birtherism…

  • Ridiculist

    I’ll take that bet Joseph. You lose. You can send the check in the mail.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    Actually, I think I win:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/politics/22republicans.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&emc=na&adxnnlx=1303394469-QXBSQJjXi3MjZXPQ7YQmxQ

    What possible reason would anyone have to question this other than racist conspiratorial thinking?

  • Joseph Sciortino

    That being said, these are just GOP voters. Want to bet it’s much higher among Tea Partiers? I would.

  • Joseph Sciortino
  • Joseph Sciortino

    Don’t get me started on the “Obama is a Muslim/crypto-Muslim” crowd, who made up a decent plurality of conservative Republicans two years ago (maybe the Osama-killing and such tempered that a bit). The birth certificate might have tempered it a bit too. Want to tell me with a straight face that isn’t racially motivated? This is a country where about a quarter still think black-white marriage is questionable. Hey, how about this one? http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/36455/

  • Joseph Sciortino

    How about the wonderful race-baiting by all the candidates other than Romney?

    • http://www.buffalobeast.com/ Josh Bunting

      @Joseph Sciortino Romney’s religion said that black people and Native Americans have darker skin because they are cursed. His race-baiting is already done for him.

  • Beast_Fan

    “You and I both know that there is very little evidence to corroborate your little fairy tale.”

    Well except the plethora of racist signs at Tea Party rallies which refer to Obama as an African-born, black radical Muslim Antichrist.

    And Tea Party Nation’s many racist screeds discussing how white people are going extinct and peddling Birtherism:

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-group-warns-white-extinction-america

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-demands-know-if-obama-received-scholarships-foreign-students

    Tea Party Nation, of course, held an event with Sarah Palin as its keynote speaker so this isn’t some small-time group.

    Then there’s Tea Party Express’ former leader Mark Williams and his
    racist “satire” about the NAACP:

    http://gawker.com/5588556/the-embarrassing-racist-satire-of-tea-party-leader-mark-williams

    Tea Partier Jules Manson called for the assassination of “that fuckin’ nigger and his monkey children”:

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-19/news/30535938_1_facebook-profile-tea-party-president-obama

    And of course there’s the studies which suggest Tea Partiers and their supporters have more racist views than average:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/14/us/politics/20100414-tea-party-poll-graphic.html?ref=politics#tab=5

    http://www.physorg.com/news189959097.html

    Just sayin’.

  • Ridiculist

    Perhaps him releasing his long form birth certificate tempered the birther nonsense? I always thought it was silly. I still don’t see how it’s racist though. Lots of prominent liberals are 9/11 truthers (Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, half of Hollywood), does that mean that they are racist for having silly beliefs? No, it just means that a lot of people are susceptible to falling for conspiracy theories.

    And what race baiting are you (and people like Jim Clyburn) referring to? I’ve heard the accusations of racist “code words” parroted by MSNBC and their zombie followers, they are laughable accusations. Come on, get serious. It’s politics, stakes are high and people will say harsh things about their political opponents – including, and especially Obama. Have you read the slander about former presidents in this nation’s history? Obama’s being treated with kid’s gloves to appease hypersensitive people like you.

    For your payment, I also take VISA, Mastercard and Discover, but not American Express.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “Perhaps him releasing his long form birth certificate tempered the birther nonsense? I always thought it was silly. I still don’t see how it’s racist though. Lots of prominent liberals are 9/11 truthers (Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, half of Hollywood), does that mean that they are racist for having silly beliefs? No, it just means that a lot of people are susceptible to falling for conspiracy theories.”

    Truthers are crazy and stupid, but yes, it’s different, because it paints the president as an exotic “other”, someone that isn’t American.

    “And what race baiting are you (and people like Jim Clyburn) referring to? I’ve heard the accusations of racist “code words” parroted by MSNBC and their zombie followers, they are laughable accusations. Come on, get serious. It’s politics, stakes are high and people will say harsh things about their political opponents – including, and especially Obama. Have you read the slander about former presidents in this nation’s history? Obama’s being treated with kid’s gloves to appease hypersensitive people like you.”

    I’m not naive. I know of American mudslinging going all the way back to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. But it’s not just Obama.

    Ever hear of Souther Strategy? Lee Atwater? How about Santorum on “blah people”? Gingrich on poor kids in the ghetto? Paul and his fleet-footed black teenagers? Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Pat Buchanan all used stuff that still resonates among bigots today. The welfare queen Reagan talked about? It was MADE UP. A LIE.

    “For your payment, I also take VISA, Mastercard and Discover, but not American Express.”

    I just handed your ass to you. Drop your pound of flesh off in Hartford as soon as you exit I-84, near the homeless guy.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “@Joseph Sciortino Romney’s religion said that black people and Native Americans have darker skin because they are cursed. His race-baiting is already done for him.”

    I forgot about that one. Good call.

  • Beast_Fan

    “Perhaps him releasing his long form birth certificate tempered the birther nonsense? I always thought it was silly. I still don’t see how it’s racist though.”

    Maybe because they’re trying to otherize him as a radical black African? There have been a multitude of people who are, if not implying it, outright saying he needs to “go back” there (Tom Tancredo, for instance).

    “Lots of prominent liberals are 9/11 truthers (Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, half of Hollywood), does that mean that they are racist for having silly beliefs?”

    First of all, Michael Moore isn’t a 9/11 Troofer. Second of all, there are no racial/ethnic implications of the 9/11 Truth movement, while there are in the Birther movement.

    “Obama’s being treated with kid’s gloves to appease hypersensitive people like you.”

    Kid gloves? People think he’s a secret Muslim, a godless atheist, a socialist, a Communist, a Stalinist, the Antichrist, Kenyan/Indonesian-born, and someone who was trying to murder the elderly by way of death panels. And these aren’t fringe nuts saying this, these are mainstream nuts like Ann Coulter and Eric Bolling and Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin. And I’m not hypersensitive about criticizing the guy. I don’t support Obama and I make no secret of that. But there’s a difference between legit criticism (violation of the War Powers Act and the NDAA and Guantanamo and whatnot) and this lunacy. Hell the Libyan conflict had me agreeing with Republicans, which was nauseating but I think they were on the correct side (maybe for more partisan purposes).

  • Ridiculist

    Joseph:

    I’ve never heard this oddball quote in Mormonism. I’ve always thought Mormonism is barely more legitimate than scientology, but I’ve never met a Mormon I didn’t like. I’d like to see who actually said that quote and perhaps I’d comment further on it.

    Obama did have a very unique upbringing spending large parts of his childhood in Indonesia, not having a father and making numerous questionable political and personal relationships early in his political career. People make it out to be atypical, because it is atypical of a president.

    Yes, I’m familiar with the Southern strategy, it’s called politics. Personally, I don’t have much love for former Dixiecrats and think welcoming them into the GOP was a strategic mistake, but it is what it is. Do you really want to play this game where I call out racist Democrats in the past and present? You do realize that it was Democrats spraying blacks with firehoses in Alabama, implementing Jim Crow laws and tolerating slavery, right? It’s a long list. We can start with Senate majority leader Harry Reid. It’s quite a jump to go from sometimes dumb people say insensitive things about race to most people are racist. Come on, be better. Your faulty reason left my ass completely intact, you couldn’t hand it to me even in your dreams.

    Beast:
    Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Richard Trumka, Andy Stern, Jeremiah Wright and a lot of his other good buddies are pretty radical in their beliefs. They say to judge a man by the company he keeps. Those who call him a radical are doing just that, not being racists.

    I did enjoy your links though from you loony left wing site. Unfortunately for you, one of them was stupid satire but hardly racist and I have no idea who Jules Manson is. Did you forget all of those Bush = Hitler signs when he was president? There was even a regular cartoon in my college newspaper at the time based on that theme. But hey, it’s totally cool if there’s irrational criticism of Bush, but any irrational criticism of Obama has nothing to do with his policies and everything to do with the fact that he’s half black. I know you really want to believe that your political opposition is racist so you can feel justified when you act like a prick calling every conservative in sight a racist. Cognitive dissonance may make you feel better, but it doesn’t make Obama’s political opposition any more racist and it doesn’t make you any less of a prick.

  • Beast_Fan

    “Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Richard Trumka, Andy Stern, Jeremiah Wright and a lot of his other good buddies are pretty radical in their beliefs. They say to judge a man by the company he keeps. Those who call him a radical are doing just that, not being racists.”

    Obama was never “buddies” with Bill Ayers. That’s a given. His Pastor was Jeremiah Wright, who had some pretty batshit beliefs about AIDS, but there’s no evidence that Obama shares those beliefs. Not sure how the heads of the AFL-CIO and SEIU are “radical”, they’re actually pretty mainstream labor leaders. Plus, not sure how they’re “buddies” with Obama. Van Jones worked for Obama briefly, but I wouldn’t call him a radical either, even if he was dumb enough to sign some petition from the 9/11 Troof movement. And calling Obama a “radical” may not make you a racist, just a dope.

    “I did enjoy your links though from you loony left wing site.”

    Yes, the loony left wing sites which…quoted whole articles written by Tea Partiers. Not sure how what you said was a defense.

    “Unfortunately for you, one of them was stupid satire but hardly racist”

    Yeah saying “Colored” folk are lazy and don’t “cotton to that whole emancipation thing”, totally not racist. : P

    “…and I have no idea who Jules Manson is.”

    Not my problem. The point is that he’s one more bit of evidence about the Tea Party’s racism.

    “Did you forget all of those Bush = Hitler signs when he was president? There was even a regular cartoon in my college newspaper at the time based on that theme. But hey, it’s totally cool if there’s irrational criticism of Bush, but any irrational criticism of Obama has nothing to do with his policies and everything to do with the fact that he’s half black.”

    Not all the criticisms, just the ones who paint him as an African tribesman/radical black nationalist/secret Muslim. Not all irrational criticism of Obama is racist, but it’s still all irrational. That goes for the “pals around with terrorists” idiocy.

    “I know you really want to believe that your political opposition is racist so you can feel justified when you act like a prick calling every conservative in sight a racist.”

    And I see you’re ending your rant with whining.

  • Beast_Fan

    Since I can’t do a copy/paste from Snopes, here’s what they had to say on the Obama/Ayers connection:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp

  • Beast_Fan

    “You do realize that it was Democrats spraying blacks with firehoses in Alabama, implementing Jim Crow laws and tolerating slavery, right?”

    Conservatives nonetheless.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “Yes, I’m familiar with the Southern strategy, it’s called politics. Personally, I don’t have much love for former Dixiecrats and think welcoming them into the GOP was a strategic mistake, but it is what it is. Do you really want to play this game where I call out racist Democrats in the past and present? You do realize that it was Democrats spraying blacks with firehoses in Alabama, implementing Jim Crow laws and tolerating slavery, right? It’s a long list. We can start with Senate majority leader Harry Reid. It’s quite a jump to go from sometimes dumb people say insensitive things about race to most people are racist. Come on, be better. Your faulty reason left my ass completely intact, you couldn’t hand it to me even in your dreams.”

    Yes, I know it was Democrats. I’ve probably forgotten more about Southern history than you will know in a lifetime. I have read dozens of books on it, in fact. And you had to go back fifty years into the past to do a really fucking weak “but but but THE DEMS DO IT TOO” distraction (and in much smaller numbers, may I add). Give it up. The Dixiecrats are the old version of Tea Partiers. Accept it.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    Well, that and the Tea Partiers are also neo-John Birchers.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    Also, yes, it’s politics. What point are you proving? They used it as a way to exploit racist beliefs and bait for votes. I don’t think Newt, Santorum or Reagan are/were racist. They just didn’t care. I’m saying the people they are baiting are racist.

  • RobThomas

    Christopher Hitchens was an asshole, and he has the blood of thousands of Iraqi children on his cold dead hands. Fuck him and anyone who defends him.

  • RobThomas

    And you guys were right. Ayn Rand was a hypocritical fucktard. Like all anti-government types, she used government services without a hint of irony. If Rand were alive today, she would have been nowhere to be found during Bush’s treasury-gutting crusade in Iraq, only to emerge as the caped superhero of small government the minute the colored fella got elected. Fuck her and her weird hats.

  • Ridiculist

    You do realize that all conservatives (Tea Party included) are pissed off at economics and the country’s finances, right? If the country’s finances were robust, there wouldn’t be a Tea Party. Add Obamacare and three rounds of failed stimuli from Bush/Obama, and I’d say if you’re not pissed off about the country’s finances, something is wrong with you.

    Let’s knock these stupid myths off quickly.
    -Of all the churches in Chicago, Obama chose Wright’s. And he stayed there for 20 years. And I’m supposed to believe that Obama never heard or believed the sermons? Child, please.
    -So because 0.1% of Tea Party signs are racist, over 50% of Tea Partiers are racist. Pardon me for having a hard time following your inductive reasoning.
    -Van Jones isn’t radical? I’d say a former admitted communist turned eco-Marxist is pretty radical.
    -If the Democrats are the champions of black Americans for the last 50 years, why has the Great Society been a disaster for black America? You’d a liberal, so I don’t expect you to make a coherent economic argument, I expect you to blame Reagan or something along those lines.
    -I suppose the conservative/liberal terms are relative. The GOP has always historically been conserving the ideas of classical liberalism. The men hosing black Americans in the ’60s were conserving ideas antithetical to classical liberalism. So while the term conservative may apply to classical liberals and Bull Connor, they share opposing political beliefs.

  • Beast_Fan

    “-Of all the churches in Chicago, Obama chose Wright’s. And he stayed there for 20 years. And I’m supposed to believe that Obama never heard or believed the sermons? Child, please.”

    The only nutty thing we’ve heard Wright say was that AIDS was invented by the government. Not sure if that was even in a sermon but if it was, what evidence do you have that Obama believes it?

    “-So because 0.1% of Tea Party signs are racist, over 50% of Tea Partiers are racist. Pardon me for having a hard time following your inductive reasoning.”

    Pardon me while I figure out how much it hurt pulling those numbers straight from your ass. Oh and for ignoring the posted studies.

    “-Van Jones isn’t radical? I’d say a former admitted communist turned eco-Marxist is pretty radical.”

    Former Communist is right, but that doesn’t make him a radical now. And “eco-Marxist”? The fuck?

    “-If the Democrats are the champions of black Americans for the last 50 years, why has the Great Society been a disaster for black America? You’d a liberal, so I don’t expect you to make a coherent economic argument, I expect you to blame Reagan or something along those lines.”

    Isn’t that a straw man argument? I never claimed that the Democrats were the champions of anyone in the past 50 years. And I guess I should expect you to prove that the “Great Society” has been a “disaster” for black America? And for the record, no, an asshole like Reagan was no friend to people of color.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “You do realize that all conservatives (Tea Party included) are pissed off at economics and the country’s finances, right? If the country’s finances were robust, there wouldn’t be a Tea Party. Add Obamacare and three rounds of failed stimuli from Bush/Obama, and I’d say if you’re not pissed off about the country’s finances, something is wrong with you.”

    Only once Obama was elected.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    By the way, nobody said racism was the only thing going on in the Tea Party. The same people despised Clinton too. It was just a contributing factor that probably runs among the majority of Tea Partiers.

  • Ridiculist

    Joe, at least you’re becoming more honest about the accusations of racism and backing off the silly rhetoric. That’s a start.

    I don’t think this frustration is new at all. You’re talking to a guy that wrote two college term papers on the national debt during the Bush administration. Let’s also not forget Ross Perot, who’s main platform was the national debt won 18.9% of the vote. We can’t leave out FA Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, William F. Buckley, Thomas Sowell and many others that have championed the same ideas of limited government and fiscal restraint for almost 100 years. I’m sorry, I refuse to believe that nobody cared about fiscal sanity until a half-black man became president. People like to focus on Obama. He doesn’t matter, his ideas matter. If Obama died of a heart attack tomorrow, it wouldn’t matter. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin or any other Democrat would be right there to advance the cause of postmodern liberalism sans Obama. The faces are interchangeable, the ideas are equally awful.

    And I suppose the million dollar question is would people be as upset if Hillary Clinton was elected and implemented Hillarycare? I say absolutely, positively yes. This is not mere speculation either; we saw the anger over it lead to a landslide Republican victory in 1994. Sound familiar?

    While a lot of posters on this board see Obama’s opposition as closet racists, I just see the same old political song and dance. Let’s leave the cries of racism for cases of ACTUAL racism like judicial sentencing rather than further poisoning the political well with such loaded accusations.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “Joe, at least you’re becoming more honest about the accusations of racism and backing off the silly rhetoric. That’s a start.”

    You mean deny, deny, deny?

    “We can’t leave out FA Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, William F. Buckley, Thomas Sowell and many others that have championed the same ideas of limited government and fiscal restraint for almost 100 years.”

    Other than Friedman as an economist and Buckley as an overblown pundit, none of these people are terribly relevant thinkers. Who the hell takes Austrian economics seriously? Even Friedman’s work was only taken as piecemeal.

    “I’m sorry, I refuse to believe that nobody cared about fiscal sanity until a half-black man became president.”

    Were you asleep during the Bush years? Who outside of libertarians on the right cared? If you think the Tea Party is libertarian, you need to look at their social issue stances.

    “People like to focus on Obama. He doesn’t matter, his ideas matter. If Obama died of a heart attack tomorrow, it wouldn’t matter. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin or any other Democrat would be right there to advance the cause of postmodern liberalism sans Obama. The faces are interchangeable, the ideas are equally awful.”

    I like how only two of these people are liberal. They aren’t Obama either. I guess the only people that aren’t liberals in your worldview are both free-market Kool-Aid drinkers and deficit hawks.

    “And I suppose the million dollar question is would people be as upset if Hillary Clinton was elected and implemented Hillarycare? I say absolutely, positively yes. This is not mere speculation either; we saw the anger over it lead to a landslide Republican victory in 1994. Sound familiar?”

    Yeah, remember what happened within the next few years thanks to the petty bullshit Gingrich put up with? Also, I like how you conveniently ignore that the GOP proposition for health care was the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING AS OBAMACARE. But that’s revisionist history I suppose.

    “While a lot of posters on this board see Obama’s opposition as closet racists, I just see the same old political song and dance. Let’s leave the cries of racism for cases of ACTUAL racism like judicial sentencing rather than further poisoning the political well with such loaded accusations.”

    I guess inviting white nationalists to CPAC and dragging out the tired old “welfare queen” meme is a song and dance, too.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    petty bullshit Gingrich put up*

  • Joseph Sciortino

    And I’m sure one can’t tie the obsession of fiscal conservatism of many, many people to “let the niggers and welfare queens rot”, but then the Rockwell-style libertarians asked for it when they procured white nationalists and the Beltway libertarians asked for it when they attached themselves to the GOP and the racial resentment cases within.

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,399921,00.html

  • Joseph Sciortino

    I mean, Atwater even said there’s a connection, and it’s such an abstract one that you have plausible deniability.

  • Ridiculist

    After the failure of Keynesian economics in the ’30s, ’70s and currently, who the fuck takes Keynesian economics seriously? It sounds nice, but it doesn’t work because it’s based on false assumptions. I’ll take my chances with Friedman and the free market boogeyman over a policy we know doesn’t work.

    I was wide awake during the Bush years, as his political opposition. He spent way too much money, the wars (whether you support them or not) were off the books, his military intelligence was horrific, he signed the PATRIOT Act, signed the prescription drug benefit and he did nothing on entitlement reform with a majority in Congress.

    That article was weird and bizarre. Lots of name-calling, not much evidence. Yawn.

    You’re right about the healthcare bills by the Republican party. Why do you think the Tea Party has pretty viciously gone after people it deems as RINOs (Crist, Castle, McCain, Bennett, Lugar, and even Boehner)? They may not like Obama, but they apparently don’t like a whole lot of old, white conservatives either. Don’t worry though, they also went after Colin Powell, so you can still play the race card.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “After the failure of Keynesian economics in the ’30s, ’70s and currently, who the fuck takes Keynesian economics seriously? It sounds nice, but it doesn’t work because it’s based on false assumptions. I’ll take my chances with Friedman and the free market boogeyman over a policy we know doesn’t work.”

    How did it fail in the 30s? Elaborate. The 70s problems were largely rooted in two things: wages exceeded productivity, and oil. I’m not sure how that demonstrates its failure.

    “That article was weird and bizarre. Lots of name-calling, not much evidence. Yawn.”

    Do your own homework, then. Look up Atwater, why don’t you? Look up Gingrich and Santorum’s barely-veiled race-baiting.

    “You’re right about the healthcare bills by the Republican party. Why do you think the Tea Party has pretty viciously gone after people it deems as RINOs (Crist, Castle, McCain, Bennett, Lugar, and even Boehner)? They may not like Obama, but they apparently don’t like a whole lot of old, white conservatives either. Don’t worry though, they also went after Colin Powell, so you can still play the race card.”

    Yeah? Where were they 15 years ago then when guys like Dole and even Gingrich promoted the same shit? Were they angry about the GOP selling out? The reason the GOP is so crazy now is rooted in their inability to compromise since making their deal with the religious fanatics.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    Oh, that and the problem of fixed exchange rates with the collapse of Bretton Woods. Which is…EXACTLY WHAT KEYNES PREDICTED IN THE 40s! HOLY SHIT!

  • Beast_Fan

    “Ridiculist believes Obama is a liberal. What a retard.”

    Pretty much sums it up.

  • Beast_Fan

    “While a lot of posters on this board see Obama’s opposition as closet racists…”

    I’m part of Obama’s opposition. I just don’t hate him for his skin tone unlike some people who doll themselves up in tricorn hats and teabags.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    Yeah, did he not read this and see that this is a pretty staunchly anti-Obama piece and community? He’s not dealing with establishment wishy-washy Democrats here.

  • Ridiculist

    In the ’30s, FDR had gigantic rounds of stimuli and public works projects with the First and Second New Deal. You remember reading about how FDR got us out of the Great Depression back in high school. Unfortunately, the First New Deal was in 1933 and the Great Depression didn’t end until 1945 when we had bombed all of the factories in Germany and Japan. Some stimulus. The New Deal was a complete failure and did absolutely nothing to get us out of the Great Depression.

    While the ’70s (or no decade until now) had the gigantic stimuli rivaling FDR’s, it was the dominant school of thought during the ’70s. The Federal Reserve had implemented a very expansionist monetary policy at the time, and surprise, surprise, the cost of oil and other commodities went up (sound familiar?). If you aren’t willing to raise taxes or borrow money, your next option is to print money. That’s what they did in the ’70s, implemented a regressive tax known as inflation. It’s no wonder that wages exceeded productivity and commodity prices are through the roof.

    Obama has certainly taken the FDR route when it comes to the economy, and his stimulus predictably failed. The Federal Reserve has been mirroring the monetary policy of the ’70s for quite some time now. Under the Bush administration, the money largely was pumped into real estate, but we also saw a pretty sizeable run-up in the price of commodities. Under the Obama administration, the inflation in asset values has been offset by deflation caused by the popping of the housing bubble. However, the commodity bubble is still going strong and prices have continued to rise as Bernanke continues to print free money.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    It’s late and I had a good response cooked until my browser crashed. Let me see if I can reconstruct it.

    “In the ’30s, FDR had gigantic rounds of stimuli and public works projects with the First and Second New Deal. You remember reading about how FDR got us out of the Great Depression back in high school. Unfortunately, the First New Deal was in 1933 and the Great Depression didn’t end until 1945 when we had bombed all of the factories in Germany and Japan. Some stimulus. The New Deal was a complete failure and did absolutely nothing to get us out of the Great Depression.”

    I guess the Roosevelt Recession and the halving of unemployment mean nothing to you, then. Just mirages.

    “While the ’70s (or no decade until now) had the gigantic stimuli rivaling FDR’s, it was the dominant school of thought during the ’70s. The Federal Reserve had implemented a very expansionist monetary policy at the time, and surprise, surprise, the cost of oil and other commodities went up (sound familiar?). If you aren’t willing to raise taxes or borrow money, your next option is to print money. That’s what they did in the ’70s, implemented a regressive tax known as inflation. It’s no wonder that wages exceeded productivity and commodity prices are through the roof.”

    The Fed was working under political pressure to fight unemployment, yes. Was this problematic? Yes. But inflation was predominately caused by the oil shocks, which had nothing to do with the Fed.

    Wages exceeded productivity before the 70s, and started to when the baby boomers really entered the workforce in the 60s. Obviously, it created a glut. Interest rates were high and inflation low in the 60s, far as I recall.

    “Obama has certainly taken the FDR route when it comes to the economy, and his stimulus predictably failed. The Federal Reserve has been mirroring the monetary policy of the ’70s for quite some time now. Under the Bush administration, the money largely was pumped into real estate, but we also saw a pretty sizeable run-up in the price of commodities. Under the Obama administration, the inflation in asset values has been offset by deflation caused by the popping of the housing bubble. However, the commodity bubble is still going strong and prices have continued to rise as Bernanke continues to print free money.”

    The stimulus didn’t fail, the expectations for the consumption and demand fairies to come back and rescue us did. They aren’t coming back for a while. We should be rebuilding our failing infrastructure and looking at a serious energy project, but I guess that’s just commie bullshit.

    Wait a sec, Volcker was mimicking his predecessors? Greenspan’s problem is he didn’t jack the interest rates up two years earlier, and it STILL wouldn’t have done much.

    I’m not sure what you want Bernanke to do. Does he have the power to curb commodity trading? The price rises aren’t due to inflation nearly as much as growing global demand for certain things like oil and food. And with the world’s suicidal and unsustainable approach to it, I expect it to get worse.

  • Beast_Fan

    “Obama has certainly taken the FDR route when it comes to the economy, and his stimulus predictably failed.”

    Lawl:
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-08-30-stimulus30_CV_N.htm

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/94367/one-more-time-the-stimulus-worked

  • Ridiculist

    The unemployment rate was 19% in 1938, five years after the First New Deal. How am I supposed to even take your question seriously? Not only was the New Deal a failure, but it’s the single best example of the failure of Keynesian economics.

    The cause of the inflation was loose monetary policy. Volcker raised the Fed funds rate significantly and reduced the money supply, strengthening the dollar and substantially reducing inflation and the cost of commodities. All the while, the baby boomers were reaching their prime earnings years, which is inflationary, but commodity prices never approached it’s highs in the ’70s and early ’80s until fairly recently. Coincidentally, we had the greatest peacetime boom in the history of mankind from about ’83 to ’01. Your rise in oil prices and stagflation was affected by the oil supply, but your #1 culprit is clearly monetary policy. Similar monetary policies to Bernanke and Obama’s.

    Come on, the stimulus didn’t work. The benchmarks Obama set were not met and he uses terms like “investment” instead of “stimulus” now. It didn’t work and it didn’t have a prayer of working, because it is built on the same false assumptions that FDR bought into.

    What should Bernanke do? Raise interest rates instead of trying to reinflate the housing bubble with dirt cheap interest rates, That’s a start. I also don’t like how the Fed sets interest rates and would rather see the Fed have banks bid on rates like it used to rather than have the Fed buy up short term treasuries to lower the Fed funds rate.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    “The unemployment rate was 19% in 1938, five years after the First New Deal. How am I supposed to even take your question seriously? Not only was the New Deal a failure, but it’s the single best example of the failure of Keynesian economics.”

    Nice revisionist history. It was 14% in the beginning of ’37. Then they decided to take your advice and it bumped back up (nice work ignoring the Roosevelt Recession).

    “Coincidentally, we had the greatest peacetime boom in the history of mankind from about ’83 to ’01. Your rise in oil prices and stagflation was affected by the oil supply, but your #1 culprit is clearly monetary policy. Similar monetary policies to Bernanke and Obama’s.”

    A peacetime boom only seen among the top 20%, mainly due to deindustrialization and the financialization of the economy.

    Also, great job ignoring peak oil, Middle East instability, or the effect of the 80s oil glut.

    “Come on, the stimulus didn’t work. The benchmarks Obama set were not met and he uses terms like “investment” instead of “stimulus” now. It didn’t work and it didn’t have a prayer of working, because it is built on the same false assumptions that FDR bought into.”

    Or, you know, Keynesian economics is less effective in a post-industrial world.

  • Joseph Sciortino

    Also, you seem to be bidding for a free-banking era with interest rates. Nothing potentially disastrous about that. Nobody said the Fed wasn’t full of corruption and cronyism, but there’s no easy answers here.

  • Ridiculist

    Revisionist history? Please, the numbers are the numbers. And I’m also baffled that you would say that 14% unemployment is this great achievement. There are a lot of factors at play, but that rate was significantly higher than most of the industrialized world at the time. Keynesian economics always fails because it needs to print, borrow or tax in order to replace aggregate demand. Printing money dilutes the value of money (although a little inflation might be desirable) and is a regressive tax on poor people, money is ultimately borrowed from the private sector that would have otherwise been invested anyways, and taxing takes money out of the private sector. The theory didn’t work under FDR, it hasn’t worked for Japan the last 20 years and it won’t work for us.

    Were you better off in 1988 than you were in 1979? Yeah, I’d say so, by a wide margin.

    The Middle East has been unstable for over a hundred years, this wasn’t some new phenomenon that just happened to occur under Carter. We were able to get the Saudis to produce more oil in the 80s, which crippled the Soviet economy. Without that, the Soviet Union doesn’t fall. Cheap oil prices and no Soviet Union? Sign me up.

    Keynesian economics wasn’t effective in an industrialized world either.

    Yes, give me the free banking era where banks bid on interest rates. Look at Greece, Spain, Italy and Ireland to see what artificially low interest rates can do to an economy. I trust the free market more than I trust Bernanke and Obama.

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